big bangers scared ?

[ICE]

As for giving the green light for a 3.5 litre 900hp Turbo engine..........not likely to happen if the current feedback flows through to the NSSC board, nor should it.

This has and is not been my favourite pastime as i have had my ears boxed off by multiple people ganging up on me making me really sit back and think about weather i am fighting for the right reasons.
I do respect what has been written by others and i take with that a great confidence that an equable Platform can be reached. I am frustrated at the above comment . as per THE CAMS MANUAL THE 3.5 L 900 hp TURBO GOT THE GREEN LIGHT 12 MONTHS AGO.
I have NO problem with up to 3 litre so that the Toyota and Nissan 6's will be eligible, and can be maintained with 50-100 kg extra here and there if needed. BUT 3.5 is F****** ridicules.
I partly take that back, if the majority of sports sedans want sport sedans to go down that path then its OK. But it is dishonest to leave the rules in place that say its ok Then just to shoot down the first person to actually do it.

[Dasnowman]

Ice I respect your views and what you have said in the forum, but I also think that the rules should not be changed on a whim, gut feeling, or anything else for that matter besides actual results. Now I love V8's, as I have said before in this thread, but for money wise, I dont have the bucks of Kerry, Tony, and Phil. I would love to be able to spend that sort of money on an engine, and not just to build a turbo either, but reality is that this is the class with the most amount of freedom in the rules. So many engines, body, chassis, and transmission configurations, this and the ingenuity of the people that not only build them, but also the people that maintain them. To be competitive on a budget, you have to go for a rotary and/or turbo motor. Now I havent heard much about cost factor for the 20B regarding maintenance wise, but rotaries are generally pretty cheap to run and maintain. So are most V8 motors (before anyone fires up), most of the guys that I have talked to , generally do routine maintenance (oil changes etc..). With major rebuild only when needed. As Phil has said, anyone can go quick in a straight line, but to make it go around a corner quickly, that is the secret. Drive ability and traction are the keys. A good example of this is superkarts, they are not that much slower around a circuit than a V8 Supercar, why because they are light, but they also carry corner speed and have traction. As for the 900 hp 3.5 L engine, the RB26 Twin Turbo motor out of the Skyline is capable of that, and that is only a 2.6 litre motor, and it was rumoured anyway, that the Gibson Motorsport Group A Skylines had about 1200 hp availible to use. The RS500 Sierra's had anywhere from 500 hp to 800- 900 hp as well, and that is from a 2 litre engine. But also too I have heard of a 350 Chev that was running in NZ (quite a few years ago now), but the regularly saw 10,000 + revs, and that was rumored to produce anywhere from 600 hp - 750 + hp. I would say that the ruling was increased from 3 litres to 3.5, would have been to allow the Holden motors to be availible to the racers (the 202 & V6). And more motors available the more the choice. Sorry for the ramble, and this is not an attack on any one group, just MY OPINION!!! After the tragedy on the weekend, I'll say once again, TOO ALL RACERS, HERE'S TO YOU NOT ONLY HAVING FUN AND GREAT YEAR OF RACING, BUT ALSO A SAFE YEAR OF RACING. Good luck to all drivers. :D

[MrBoost]

phast phill

yeh we REALLY need to do that. we actually had glen over at our car at sandown and we came to the conclusion we would build an independant 9 inch rear end. he said that would be the next step up from a 3 link rear and would be cheaper if we did it ourselves.
so that was the plan in the break cut the rear off, build the new one and get glen to tune it. but then dad lost his practically adopted father and mum got cancer so the car is as is after sandown. (mum is ok)
i have pm'd you aswell

im sure if you spent 6 million hours in a race car you would claim that second back on glen.

dasnowman, just one little thing. to build a reliable rb26 actually does start to cost alot of money. when we decided to build the mazda engine we did alot of research on a few different engines. the rb26 major failing point is there crankshafts. you have to get a billet one to run 700+ hp reliably. and they cost ALOT. the cams aslo break if you dont get billet ones. AND the mazda heads flowed better anyway. all the other jap engines like these pair where all cheaper than the rb26. GREAT engine but they arent that cheap to get the engine you would need for as top sports sedan.

[MrBoost]

hangon dasnowman sorry i got ur post mixed up with something else. but i guess it kind of applies. those engine nearly cost 100k (gibson motorsport)

[ICE]

3D Car owners in NSW
Hope you all get along to this to have your say. 08/03/08

http://www.sportsedan.net/

[MrBoost]

guys regarding the sports sedan meeting, please take time to have a good look at the rules. some of them such as the new weight breaks are fantastic. and come with an open mind. we all might have missed a point or two in some cases

[ICE]

So did anything good come out of the NSW meeting, was it productive?

[MrBoost]

in some ways.
alot of the new stuff was shot down. i was disappointed the new weigth table was shot down it is a good idea. but it definately needs to cater for a wider range as at the moment it says under 2000cc is to be 850kg. but guys that run mini's etc in sports sedans are around 650kg so y would they ever run again if they had to throw in 150kg.
4wd was voted back IN by nsw to try to get gtr's rex's etc back in which is good as it says the car must remain as a BODY car and engine must stay in same place. so no one could build a space frame 4wd animal. this would be great for numbers.
boost limits and restrictors was a full house NO which made me smile.
multivalve rule is still to be kept the way it is.
few other things

but this is just nsw so we see what happens

[2002 turbo]

I thought the reasonable ideas in the proposed rule changes were well received but I was glad to see the unreasonable ones in regards to boost limits and fuel restrictions strongly opposed to by all at the meeting.

One thing to come out of the meeting was the realisation that the class needs to attract more new competitors, hence letting the 4wd cars in (supposedly some Nissan GTRs might run in the NSW state championship this year)
Looking around the room it was pretty much the same faces from the at least the last 10 years and only 3 guys there were under the age of 30, so getting new people into the category has to be a big priority in my opinion.

[ICE]