big bangers scared ?

[ICE]

Equality
That means if someone has or builds a car to handle equal to tonys
And gets a top racing engineer to build a 75k turbo motor for it. Then
We can all watch fantastic racing between them.
For the just ok car, fitted with a 25k V8, i would like to think somewhere
Towards the back of the field it will be battling with an ok car
With a 25k turbo .
Equality
If you are lucky i am the only one that thinks like that.
Time i shut up and we hear from others.

Snowman the only thing i am scared of, is the pub running out of beer!

[ICE]

that doesn't rule out
a better driver with a better set up car with a 25k turbo wining!

[2002 turbo]

I may have missed something but has Trent got a new wizz bang 20B in his car this year that some of the Chev drivers are a little concerned with??

Don't know if the engine is new but I think the whole setup has come together real nicely after some initial development. He's surely got some grunt in that thing, it really motored down the straight at Eastern Creek last year.

[2002 turbo]

The fact is horsepower per dollar the Japanese turbo engines win hands down.
The engines are dirt cheap and the performance hardware is both plentiful and readily available. For a rotary engine it is even better because of the smaller number of internal parts (all you can really change is the eccentric shaft, rotor seals and port the housings), the rest of the cost is with the turbo, oil, intake and fuel injection systems.

There are many ways to skin a cat and Sport Sedans are all about embracing ingenuity, everyone has their own ideas and passions as to what is the best engine to use. The class has been a Chev V8 benefit for most of the years but it is still nice to see other engines out there mixing it up with them, makes it a lot more interesting!!!!!!!!!
I can't say i remember any of the turbo guys complaining over the years about the Chevs always winning the championship....

[MrBoost]

sorry ICE ive had a few after work and i may be missing what your saying, but it seem your saying if someone builds a 25k turbo motor it should have equal performance as the 25k v8? in the same car with same driver.

IF this is what your saying i have to very much disagree as again it is as though everything must be based off a chev winning. (or in this case coming 19th instead of 20th) If we can build cars even inside the old rules for half the cost why the hell wouldnt we??
its basically saying if you want to win this category you must have a big business that makes the cash to win. i.e your not allowed to win unless you spend 75k ++ on your engine. (by the way i was told by a guy from one team that the car he works on had 130k spent on the engine, if true thats insane.) the whole point of running turbo is that you can do it without losing the wife and kids. and going home with a bigger smile if its worked...
so many people come up to us and say oh youve spent so much money developing this thing y dont you give up. i will bet you in the 3-4 seasons we have run this engine, people like bailey, tamasi etc spent more on one engine than we have in that 3 years.
if minardi managed to build there own engine and built it for half the cost of the mercedes mob and it made more power than the mercedes would people ban it? and say thats not fair? even if its within the rules which have been around for 20 or more years?
if this isnt what your saying (sorry)

people have to look outside the box and think hey maybe soon there wont be 1 chev left in sports sedans as everyone will be using something cheaper which is just as good if not better. thqat could be a turbo or maybe a v8 that the americans dont just reap in profits for.


thankyou dasnowman i hope we can get them ready aswell. mine looks good but grahams is a bit sketchy, things are a little up in the air with business etc.

jd yort id love to do the local national rounds but i dont think i could afford them. even to hold onto the back of a national grid now you have to be really moving which with my car needs someone who can drive it (which isnt me as yet, still on a big learning curve) and would need new tyres so id be up for what 2 - 3 state rounds costs me. i would dearly like to go to oran park though. any chance to run there with it closing should be taken.
apart from that the bloody calibra generally needs so much attention we wouldnt get my car off the trailer!!

[ICE]

Hi
Be honest
Where will you be when that same team spend
that 130k on a turbo motor. lets not beat around the
bush. thats the equality i have talked about.
An even better way of looking at it is what could you build
for 130k.

[Dasnowman]

A lexus v8 twin turbo for a start, actually make that at least 2 big and reliable horsepower motors!!! or part of my house!!! LOL :D As I have said before if I want to run a chev at the front, either I have to win the lotto, or someone gives me a drive (and I think I will win the lotto first!!!!) It woulud be nice if the parts and the blocks for these engine come down to such a price that you could honestly build one cheaply, that will give you great reliability and well as big horsepower. But because the 350 small block (which is no longer in production by GM US) popular by most motorsports, the parts are getting dearer to develop to make more horses and still be reliable. I know when Kerry debut the Supra back in 87 that he only did 15 laps in it and the engine dropped a valve. That engine cost him about $25 - $30 K back then, and if he builds a Aston V12, how much will that cost him????? I can see where you are coming from Ice and I can also see where everyone else is coming from as well. Unfortunately for me it comes down to dollars, and don't get me wrong I know some people that have spent the same amount of money on turbo sixes the same time as what Kerry did with the chev. Every motor has its pros and cons, for a rotary you have to rev it to get it anywhere, and to make horsepower, a 6, V6, V8, V12 has the torque and a smoother band over a wider curve where as a turbo you have curve which is nothing to something, or you make so yu have it come in smoother but you wont have the horses???
Its a trade off with everything and that is why the sports sedans are exciting to watch as they are only 1100 kg with most of them having at least 700 horses, and everyone has different ways to putting them to the ground, and that could turn into another debate, to which is better. But because of the different configurations that are available to use which makes this so great. Otherwise we would have to call it V8 Supercars or Nascar, or something else which have rules that are so tight that every car must run the same components, at least with Nascar you are guaranteed that there will be passing for the lead almost every lap (which would be nice to see a bit more in the V8's :D). The Tranzams are a great edition to the field and if Senese has brought the Corvette from NZ, I hope he does well. For me, it would nice if I could go out there and win a race (or 2 or 3 or more do I sound like Tony LOL), but it would be better if I could just get out there!!!!!

THE AGE OLD SAYING IS, TO FINISH FIRST, FIRST YOU MUST FINISH. AND BRING ON THE SERIES

[MrBoost]

if 'that' team spends 130k on a turbo motor and its within the old rules that have been around for donkies so be it. they wont make much more horspower than we do now they will only have better driveability. which is fine by me.

i completely agree though if an engine needs the multiplyer rule taken away to be eligible (i.e anything over 2.5L turbo multivalve), then these engines should gain a weight penalty as they WILL be too far ahead of the chevs. we are only opening up these rules to get new fresh competitiors which is great but these should be the only ones with restrictions. but sensible restrictions.

[ICE]

[roverboy]