Trucks, 3D rules, Self determination

[Htc Motorsport]

Whats an exotic ute ...ive never seen one of them

[2002 turbo]

.im telling you now someone will come along and stick a half descent engine in one of these things and then look out

Are you serious? A decent engine is not going to make one of these things go from doing 1min 44 at Eastern Creek to Alfa, Audi & Saab equivalent lap times of 1min.29!

[Htc Motorsport]

Well ok i give in .....i'll run this Transit and make some rules up for Vans then we can have the Commercial Vehicle Championships...any one got an Urvan or old Jackeroo maybe even a Patrol...

[pearcesnr]

Yer, lets not forget the station wagons either. maybe we could put the motors in the back again, Lets come back to reality. This year has only just begun, the first round of the National Series has not yet been run, can we all encourage the people with cars that make the first round a success, and encourage others to run the remaining rounds. As with other state rounds I hope the numbers climb above previous years, and we can keep the class growing, we know the cars are out there, stop all the whining, lets not forget all we are doing this for is enjoyment ? and a plastic and wood dust collecter. If you see fit to create a more damaging effect on our enjoyment, Join your local State Parlement Group and crap on everyone.
Pearcesnr

[msadyno]

The National "Sports Se-van" series ! Looks like the Worlds fastest delivery van !

[2JZSS]

wouldn't mind that van :)

It does have f1 running gear under all that van sexyness... it would probably blow the doors off the top sports sedans!! (it'd want to its probably 20 times the price)


It appears ford and renault have f1 vans!!!

Renault - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ideOEsshob0&feature=related

Ford - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83dDHKFeWcM

[Phast Phil]

Yes maybe the term "sports sedan" is actually outdated. Life moves on and things change, these days the best cars to base a sports sedan on and leggally according to the rules are sports coupes.

I am glad that someone is building a SS based on a Toyota Supra. I owned a lovely 100% original example as my daily drive car for over 5 years. To this day I think it was the best car I owned. I often said if I could get my race car to handle as well as my road car I would be very happy. All that car needed to be a fast race car was a more powerful engine (V8 or turbo comething), bigger brakes and tyres, shed some weight and add a cage. They are a very stiff chassis and have large wheel archs. The standard rear wheel was fitted with a 285 wide unit on mine.

I look forward to seeing the Supra that is being built on the track sometime soon.

The last thing we need in Australia, this is not just my opinion but supported by a number of current SS entrants, is another taxi cab series. V8 supercars have cornered the market on 4 door sedan racing cars...altough the COTF under the skin is very much a "sports sedan". We need to be different, we need to have more exotic cars or more sporty cars. The Jameson Jag is a good example of an exotic sporty car, as will be the Baily Aston Martin, the Roddy Jag GT3 that may front by 2013 (very slow build) the new Bryson 2010 Mustang, my new 2010 Mustang along with the current Audi, Saab's Mazdas and of course it looks like we are up to 3 Monaros when Mr Rice completes his.

Yes maybe it is time to rename.....I know I am in dangerous territory here but maybe "Sports Coupes" should be addopted??? Regardless sports sedans is more of the tradition than a description of where we are now and less descriptive of where we are headed based on the current crop of new cars so please treat it in that manner. Under the rules a ute could race as long is it passes the tech regs. Maybe if the "Nascar inspired" utes changes to a commercially available body style (sorry no trans am or DTM ute series) and came in under 6000cc then it would pass the tech regs. One thing that Greg McIntyre does have right is the reliability and parts availability; I would like to see that sort of operation offering a real sports coupe...ooops sedan to multiple competitors as that is something we really need here. That is why I wondered why someone would import cars that do not fit under any CAMS rules. Sure he aimed at competing at AASA events but that will only take a team and a driver so far from a competition recognition point of view. To make a point who won the AASA sedan series last year....does anyone know, was there such a series, do they have a website and forum, I cannot find one? A google search for AMRS also resulted in nothing.

As for that van, if anyone can push that much air and be as fast as any good sports sedan then I will open my home to illegal immigrants...Fi running gear included. Gees I hope it doesn't.

[Ricey88]

Until a few years ago (2007)the ute issue would not have arisen because
3D was based on, a closed car having 4 seats. That has been dropped!
Probably to alow honda s2000 motors and corvettes etc...

Quote from current rules
“To be eligible for this group cars must be series production closed cars”
I thought that meant

4 door closed cars are a sedan
2 door closed cars are coupes
Hatchbacks not clear but probably a coupe

Utes, Panel vans & Station wagons I didn’t think were closed cars
I still think that holds true but cannot think of anything valid to justify this
point of view.

[Nadz44]

In the late 90's there were 2 volvo station wagons that ran regularly at NSW state meetings..... JD or 2002 would remember the names...

Nadz44.

[commodore51]

Phil. While they will always be sports sedans to me, I too believe it may be time for a name change, however Sports Coups is really no different to Sports Sedans as it really just describes one type of car. We need something that is not descriptive to any one type, like Philcars or Thundercars. Something completely fresh and I am sure that there are plenty of people out there with ideas, lets hear them.